Aww, What's the Harm: Conspiracy Theory Edition


#41

No, lack of faith would be Agnostics. Atheists KNOW there is no God and then worship the state. Kinda funny. It is the only religion that thinks they are 100% right, no argument, no debate.


#42

Atheism has nothing to do with government or morale… you can believe in a religions values and not believe in the religions god.


#43

I would love to meet an atheist that does not love the government. It has yet to happen. I am yet to meet a libertarian atheist or an atheist anarchist.


#44

Go visit Europe :wink:

I do believe in some government, but I think it should have the least possible interference in private lives. Religion should have no influence other than what people want themselves. I don’t mind religion. Having something to believe in can be good. Religious institutions just shouldn’t have any power as I’m against laws “because god said so”.


#45

Most people are absolutely convinced that the earth is round, and they are sure that anyone who thinks that earth is flat is simply wrong. Such earth-is-round believers do not constitute a religion. Many mathematicians are strongly convinced of basic mathematical formulas. That doesn’t mean they are religious in their mathematicalness.

So what does make something a religion?

Religions receive highly favorable treatment in the USA and the IRS wants to avoid giving these advantages to organizations that are not genuine religions. So the IRS has a set of criteria they apply to any group claiming to be a religion. The primary criteria are listed below with how atheist groups qualify [shown in parenthesis].

  1. Distinct legal existence [Some atheist groups are legal entities.]
  2. Recognized creed and form of worship [No creed or forms of worship.]
  3. Definite and distinct ecclesiastical government [No ecclesiastical governance.]
  4. Formal code of doctrine and discipline [No doctrine.]
  5. Distinct religious history [No religious history.]
  6. Membership not associated with any other church or denomination [Atheists may join any number of atheist groups.]
  7. Organization of ordained ministers [No ministers of any kind.]
  8. Ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed courses of study [No courses of study.]
  9. Literature of its own [No literature reserved for one group.]
  10. Established places of worship [No worship.]
  11. Regular religious services [No religious services.]
  12. Sunday schools for the religious instruction of the young [No instructing the young.]
  13. Schools for the preparation of its members [No atheist schools.]

Calling atheism a religion is like calling abstinence a sexual position, or baldness a hair color, or not collecting stamps a hobby.

Cause you are arguing against something you know nothing about.

According to you


#46

I would love to meet an atheist that does not love the government

You have no proof of any atheist loving the government outside of personal anecdote.

Why would an atheist love the government?


#47

According to Murray N. Rothbard, who writes for the Ludwig von Mises Institute, most libertarians at the present time are atheists.

“There is no necessary connection between being for or against libertarianism and one’s position on religion. It is true that many if not most libertarians at the present time are atheists, but this correlates with the fact that most intellectuals, of most political persuasions, are atheists as well.” —Murray N. Rothbard

Ayn Rand was a libertarian and atheist.


#48

So I guess you don’t like it when someone that does not believe like you do generalizes your entire group? :thinking:

Maybe now you understand why I think the OA is garbage?


#49

Right on man,right on.


#50

Regarding the topic of being free to follow a religion or not, I find this pretty interesting. I’ve not extensively researched this myself, but at a glance it seems to be pretty malicious.

First of all, the First Amendment to the Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

H.J.Res.104 accepts the religious Judaic Noahide Laws as a basis for the American society.

Explanation of what the Noahide Laws are.
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9679-laws-noachian

From what I understand, it is considered idolatry by the Jewish faith to worship Jesus since they do not accept him as the Messiah.

Article by a U.S. Congressman during the time of the bill being passed.
http://www.spingola.com/Dannemeyer.html

Passing a bill accepting a specific religious law seems to go against the first amendment.


#51

So in reality it has nothing to do with intelligence or political stance, but is because you feel victimized and need to lash back?

I must say, here in Denmark atheism has been normal for a long time and people don’t generally talk about religion as it’s seen as a personal thing, so the situation is not the same.

But from my online experience it seems like there is a (loose) group of atheists in USA that often are from religious families and are very vocal about their newfound atheism. They can seem like a cult and often follow unofficial leaders. Some of these do seem kinda stupid.

But on a grand scale they are a very small “group” of atheists and not a good representation of atheists in general.


#52

Not exactly. Just giving him a bit of his own medicine I guess. You want to generalize an entire group because of the word Christian but don’t take into account that someone calling himself a Christian doesn’t make him one. For example, the Westboro Baptist Church would call themselves Christians but are the polar opposite of anyone who has ever studied Jesus whether as a man or a God.

But I do have a bit of an issue with the Atheist but I also have an issue with theist that are so sure of themselves that they can break the Golden Rule because the other guy is not a Christian.

Few realize how much of the scientific method came from the early church trying to understand God’s world. They were trying to understand the world since our world view is God works through Science, while other religions that believe in a God or Gods feel the world is a chaos. In Wisdom 11:21, God is said to have “ordered all things by measure, number, weight.” (Science)

So when an atheist wants to shout from the rooftop that there is no God and they know they are right, it makes me a laugh a bit. Then they make this assumption that religion is somehow anti-science, which again is garbage. it is the generalizations of an entire group that I have an issue with so I thought, let me see how he reacts if I generalize his entire group.

I know there are plenty of smart atheists but there are also plenty of smart theists in all religions. There are also many smart people that once called themselves Atheists that became theists or at least Agnositcs like CS Lewis or Picard for example.


#53

And this is my point stated better than I could above. Few Christians believe in a literal bible. Very few believe that Adam and Eve lived in garden, roaming around naked and eating fruits and vegetables until a snake came along and told the Eve to eat an Apple. Jordan Peterson describes Genesis a lot closer to what I believe and I think most thinking Judeo/Christians believe.

The only groups that we should be generalizing about are Communists, Socialists, and Fascists. They all should be given helicopters rides over volcano pits.


#54

As far as I know only a very small “group” shout there is no god… Most simply live their lives and don’t care how you live yours… It seems your view is colored by too much by interaction with the group I describe…

As said, most atheists don’t really talk about it


#55

Lots of Atheists are being more vocal now because of things like this


#56

people still believing this crap? I thought it was 2018


#57

Very few christians believe in Christianity. I went to a fully catholic school and there were literally 2 people in my year who actually believed. Likely many are the same.

I find it hard how you can make any sort of argument when you worship something that has the same validity as superman and unicorns.


#58

For anyone that has read or even glanced over the Summa Theologiae , it takes precisely 20 seconds to refute this. What’s both sad and funny is that people like you who throw out superman, unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster around as a way of insulting our intelligence and think you are showing us up; are In fact making a fool out of yourself in front of anyone who has actually read the works. So, thanks for the laugh, I needed it today.


#59

Popular misconception. The belief in redemption and salvation through Jesus is actually called “Soteriology”… named after ptolomy Soter the first Greek pharoah… Ptolomy was the bastard brother of Alexander the “great”. … as a living son of God He also went by the name Serapis Christus.

As for the countless atheists I’ve encountered in life I do see a common thread that connects most. It is the absolute belief in science… some would say that the worship of science in itself is a religion.


#60

For anyone that has read or even glanced over the Summa Theologiae , it takes precisely 20 seconds to refute this. What’s both sad and funny is that people like you who throw out superman, unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster around as a way of insulting our intelligence and think you are showing us up; are In fact making a fool out of yourself in front of anyone who has actually read the works. So, thanks for the laugh, I needed it today.

For anyone that has ever read or even glanced super man comics, it takes precisely 20 seconds to refute this. What’s both sad and funny is that people like you throw out god, jesus or the holy spirit around with 0 evidence and fail to realize your just doing with billions of other people have done with thousands of other religions in the past which is to waste your life living a lie. You are infact making a fool out of yourself in front of anyone who has actually read the superman works. So, thanks for the laugh, I needed it today.

Also I did study parts of that book, when I studied Christianity. Please point out the paragraph that destroys my argument that takes 20 seconds to read

Believing in the Bible = believing that Bitconnect actually had a working trading bot