Aww, What's the Harm: Conspiracy Theory Edition


#21

Atheists are probably more intelligent than religious people because they benefit from many social conditions that happen to be correlated with loss of religious belief. When one looks at this phenomenon from the point of view of comparisons between countries, it is not hard to figure out possible reasons that more intelligent countries have more atheists as Richard Lynn (2009) reported.

Here are some. Highly religious countries (Barber, 2012):

  • Are poorer.
  • They are less urbanized.
  • Have lower levels of education.
  • They have less exposure to electronic media that increase intelligence(Barber, 2006).
  • Experience a heavier load of infectious diseases that impair brainfunction.
  • Suffer more from low birth weights.
  • Have worse child nutrition.
  • Do a poor job of controlling environmental pollutants such as lead that reduce IQ.

Given that each of these factors are recognized causes of low IQ scores (Barber 2005), there is little mystery about why religious countries score lower on IQ tests. Of course, the same phenomena are relevant to comparisons within a country, although within-country differences in these factors are generally smaller. Even so, the wealthier individuals in a country experience life differently than the poorer ones, developing higher IQ scores and greater religious skepticism.


#22

Its bullshit, they are not smarter. Atheism in itself is a religion.


#23

Atheism in itself is a religion.

What are the beliefs of this religion,please tell me.


#24

Atheism is as much of a religious belief as any kind of “theism,” mono, poly or what have you. There is no empirical proof of the existence or non-existence of a Supreme Being. Any assertion for or against it is a belief regarding religion, and therefore a religious belief .

Than and the fact that 97% of you are state worshipers. The state is your God.


#25

You are talking in circles,since you assert that it’s a religion what are the beliefs of this religion,please tell me.

Not believing in fairies does not put me into the anti-fairy religion,it just means I see no evidence that fairies exist,why is this so hard for you to grasp?

The Relation Between Intelligence and
Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis


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I am yet to meet one smart atheists, I will stick with that.


#29

You actually ask each person you meet about their belief system? You must be great at parties.:joy:


#30

No, Atheists, like state lovers love to brag about there Atheism. They think they are hip and smart for not believing in anything and they also think the state is good. But you have added to that list.


Atheists often claim that their belief is not a religion. This allows them to propagate their beliefs in settings where other religions are banned, but this should not be so.

Contemporary Western Atheism unquestionably has six of the seven dimensions of religion set forth by Smart, and the remaining dimension, ritual, has also started to develop. Thus it’s fallacious to assert, “Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour”. Perhaps a better analogy would be calling a shaved head a ‘hairstyle’. Other than the denial of the divine, there is little difference between Atheism and other worldviews typically labelled as religions.

The dichotomy that Atheists try to create between science and religion is false. The conflict is between interpretations of science coming from different religious worldviews.

Atheism shouldn’t be taught or enforced in settings where other religions are banned and shouldn’t be favoured by laws which imply a religiously neutral government.


#31

Having been raised an atheist with pretty much zero religious friends throughout my life, it has been my experience that as religiosity goes down, so does charity and compassion. In socialist Sweden, who considers itself a humanitarian superpower, charity is among the lowest of all countries in the world. Paying 70% in taxes of course doesn’t help, most people feel they give enough by force, so why give anything else willingly.

Growing up I was taught by media, school and friends that religious people were pretty much just nut-jobs, in my teens I was of the opinion that I could not respect a person who was religious because that in itself was proof that the person was stupid.
The older I get and the more I read and learn, the more spiritual I become. I’ve seen first hand just what happens to society when people have nobody to answer to but themselves, because with no authority but fellow humans, who cares what happens in the future, only the present is of importance, and pleasure is all that counts.
Some people are able to abide by strict moral rules simply because they feel they are just, but it has been my experience that the majority of people do not unless they have some greater power to answer to in the afterlife. The constant promotion of decadence and promiscuous behavior of course doesn’t exactly make it a level playing field.

Trying to convince someone who is strongly atheistic that religion has value is a futile task however, which I can admit to myself. 10 years ago I still had zero respect for religion, and when I participated in the baptism of my nephew I secretly thought it was a terrible thing. I had listened to anarcho capitalists equating religion to child abuse, as if it was willfully telling the child lies known to be untrue. I’ve since learned that it’s not quite so simple after all. We’ve not proven religion is useless, or that a creator does not exist or have never existed. We have however many times seen godless men come to power, leading to genocides against tens of millions of Christians, all in the name of the greater good.

In my own opinion, it is a waste of time trying to convince someone that the opposite of his world view is true, because whatever he believes is such a large part of his being. He must read and learn throughout his life and discover these things himself. People who stop reading after they graduate from school are therefor a bit of a lost cause (I’m talking books, not newspapers).
I am now personally more convinced than ever of the existence of some kind of creator or power beyond ourselves, and the importance it has in society as a whole. If Christianity in my country weren’t overrun by Marxists, feminists and devil worshipers, I might actually consider joining the church again.

These videos are not meant as an argument against atheism, but perhaps it will give people a new perspective, and some humility. The title of the second video is pretty stupid, but I assure you the content of the video is not as childish.

Having only had atheist friends, I feel this is pretty relevant information to think about as well. All my friends were super smart, or so they thought.


#32

Thing is if you dedicated your life to explaining the lack of something that never existed means your a nut job already. So when you then switch sides and pro claim the opposite it just means your still a nut job


#33

Greta Christina had a blog post that fits in well here:

Why do so many people think they know what atheism is better than atheists do?

Why, when atheists explain who we are and what we do and don’t believe, do so many people respond by saying, “No, that’s not who atheists are – let me explain to you who you are”?

I can understand not being familiar with what atheism means in the first place. Heck, for years I myself thought atheism meant 100% certainty, too. But why – when confronted with an actual atheist saying, “This is what atheism means” – is the reaction so rarely, “Oh, that’s interesting, I didn’t know that”? Why, instead, is the reaction, “No, it isn’t”? Why is the reaction, “I understand atheism better than you do, and now I’m going to explain it to you”?

I think there are two things going on

One, and most obviously: I think it’s an attempt to marginalize atheists. You are attempting to make atheists seem like hard-line extremists who take an indefensible position and adhere to it dogmatically. It’s a classic straw man. It’s the insistence that we hold extreme and indefensible positions that few of us really hold… so they don’t have to wrestle with the reasonable and entirely defensible positions that most of us really do hold.

Two: Defining one’s self is among the most powerful acts a community and a movement can take.

Defining one’s self says to the world, “We are not who you say we are. We are who we say we are.” It says to the world, “You have to deal with us on our terms – not just yours.”

Defining one’s self is among the most powerful acts a community and a movement can take.

And people who desperately wish for a community and movement to disappear are not voluntarily going to let us have that power.

They are going to keep trying to define us, so they can continue to make us look like rigid, hysterical, unreasonable dogmatists who don’t have to be taken seriously. They are going to keep trying to define us, so they don’t have to think too closely about who we really are and what we really think. And they are going to keep trying to define us, simply because they can: because defining a marginalized group is a way of saying that your definitions, and not theirs, are the ones that count.


#34

For the same reason Atheists think they know Christianity better than Christians do. Most denominational Christians, and plenty of Church leaders, don’t even know Christianity; but the Atheist does.

I am sure every Atheists has read the Summa Theologiae and has a serious rebuttal.


#35

For the same reason Atheists think they know Christianity better than Christians do

I don’t say or think that,never heard or read any atheist claim or say that either. But Christianity has tenets and outward signs not to mention core beliefs that identify it’s members,atheism does not outside of the lack of belief in god or gods.

Greta Christina put it best

“You are attempting to make atheists seem like hard-line extremists who take an indefensible position and adhere to it dogmatically. It’s a classic straw man. It’s the insistence that we hold extreme and indefensible positions that few of us really hold… so they don’t have to wrestle with the reasonable and entirely defensible positions that most of us really do hold.”

I am sure every Atheists has read the Summa Theologiae and has a serious rebuttal.

If not they have no idea what they are talking about? Have many preachers read it? Have you?


#36

This whole thread is a broad generalization of Christians. The OA mentions Alex Jones as if any Christian I have ever me believes in lizard people. So, its fair for you to lump all Christians together but not the other way around.

Yes. Few. Yes


#37

I’m Christian, and that being said I have an open mind to just about anything.

Have you guys looked into the smithsonian 1800-1920 fossil records btw? Lots of giant humanoid bones were found that I wasn’t ever taught about in school…guess that doesn’t match the sociological, evolutionary narrative…sure matches genesis 6 though.


#38

This whole thread is a broad generalization of Christians

From the article

In similar fashion, the religion itself isn’t the real problem here. It functions as window-dressing for Christians–a way to express their personal ideologies. Without the religion, terrible Christians might not become so terrible, sure. But someone terrible gravitates to a worldview and group that’ll let them operate the way they like best.

That’s why terrible Christians worship a terrible god, and kind Christians worship an altogether different god who inexplicably shares its name with that other one. The problem isn’t Christianity. That’s only the label that Christians use. The real problem is the interior behind that window-dressing. The religion very easily allows believers to construct and then defend any worldview that makes them happy.

Yes. Few. Yes

No,very few,so what?


#39

Cause the arguments that a Christian would define as proof of God are well laid out. I do not find God to be terrible and think Calvinists are just as dumb as Atheists or Creationists.

Cause you are arguing against something you know nothing about. Its another example of the communists agenda you use a lot. Make a false statement as if it comes from your opponent and then debate against that statement.

I have respect for Agnostics, but Atheiests are just morons and still 97% are state worshipers.

The last article you linked to is another perfect example. Most Christians do not believe in the rapture as defined by Evangelicals.


#40

So we can conclude a lot of people follow a religion without fully understanding it. Then it must also be reasonable to choose to not follow a religion without fully understanding it.

Also atheism has nothing to do with christianity. It’s about (the lack of faith in) religion. You don’t have to fully understand some religion to understand the concept of religion.